New Phen Source x 3

[clivew]

3 new phen sources opened online today. Well actually 3 pharmacies all belonging to the same group.

They are existing programs - none are located in US.

Just checking details now.

[No Life]

Yeah fine. Dangle the carrot.:cool:

[Sam_Eyre]

If you are going to post blind ads this then please include the URLS.

[traveller]

believe it when i see it.

if u have contact send them on....

Boy see the price increase for Phen in aff.... wow!!! :(

[clivew]

To the guys who have PM'd email I have sent on contacts. To others interested but waiting - smart move.

The pharmacy has been around for 3 years and has always paid and converts well.

However, they have only just moved into phen - so I have not finished testing that part of their program - so I am not 100% on broadcasting it at this stage. I will only "advertise" a program when I am sure it is a good recommendation.

[Neeko]

The pharmacy has been around for 3 years and has always paid and converts well.

So whats the big freakin' deal here?

Just spill the beans ffs.

PS - No, I'm not PMing you to join in your 2nd tier!

[RxRob]

Boy see the price increase for Phen in aff.... wow!!! :(

What if they actually ship them though?

[RxRob]

I'm game. clive. Email the info to the addy in my sig. ;)

[Wicked]

Don't forget me.)

[Bigmike J]

I'm in.. count me in.

[ezeednn]

me too

[clivew]

ok ok - sent referrals for PM's - wanted a test run - not a bloody flood.

So far deliveries are good and payments are on time. Could be a first.

[No Life]

one more? Pleeeeeese :)

[clivew]

one more? Pleeeeeese :)


Hi No Life emailed info.
As with everyone else - feedback appreciated - this pharmacy has stuck to non controlled before. I am interested to see if they maintain this area, before we open to niave newbies. Very uncomfortable about broadcasting until certain.

[Neeko]

Very uncomfortable about broadcasting until certain.

What a crock of BS.

http://www.brandpills.com

Is what is he pitching for everyone to join his 2nd tier.

Their prices absolutely suck!

[RxRob]

I love the ® next to the Phentermine graphic on the left menu. Who has a registered trademark on the name phentermine? LOL :D

[chopsticks]

ummm, *huh* *huh*
(beavis & butthead laughter)
:rolleyes:

yeah, the registered trademark is clueless.
it would have to be Adipex or Ionamin if they wanted to promote a NAME brand form of Phentermine for the USA.

BTW: they're obviously not based in the U.S.!
Reductil is the brand name of MERIDIA when marketed outside of America.

..and they're shipping in a totally half-arsed (translation: non-professional) methodology that WILL cause the shipments to be flagged by customs and/or the DEA / FDA.


Please note: at times products might be shipped loose and not in blister packs due to high demand or lack of stock and in order to allow for the best possible prices.
*uhhhh, huh huh*
Suuuuure! Just slap 'em in a ziplock baggie, dude!
(brilliant! Just brilliant. Insanity defense?!? No need for following protocol [standard operating procedures] for pharmaceuticals?)

http://www.brandpills.com/delivery_policy.php

Delivery Policy

We ship to most of the countries.. If you are unable to select your country at the checkout phase, please contact us.

Once the pharmacy has received your prescription, it will be filled and shipped by EMS/USPS or registered mail. Normal delivery time is 10-14 business days.

We will notify you if there is a problem with your order and you will receive a confirmation email when the pharmacy ships your medication.

If for any reason the order will not be delivered within 14 business days, please contact us and we will investigate the case.

Please note: We can not be responsible for customs clearance and the customer will have to carry all future expenses and taxes if there will be any, in his country.
Phentermine 37.5mg 180 capsules for $309.00 seems to be beyond "pushing the envelope" (it's over the edge; 180 capsules is more than excessive... it's blatantly in violation! Criminal negligence & drug smuggling charges are the most probable outcome of such a business model.)

But my favorite 'sound byte':

I declare that I know that the order is on behalf and will be supplied by Kashmir Pharmacepticals Inc
PAKISTANI PHARMACEPTICALS. (not pharmaceuticals)
Gotta love it.

...but where would it all be without 'front' to drop the cash?
http://www.brandpills.com/westernunion.html

Address payment to:

Name: Sajad Awan
City: Hong Kong
Country: Hong Kong

http://whois.domaintools.com/brandpills.com

shows 49 changes to the domain... and it expires December of this year ('06).

*heh*

http://www.brandpills.com/about.php

Licensed doctors, 98% prescription approval rate
Gotta love it! Extra large shipments (180 tabs!) of "Brand name" Phentermine (*bah!*) sold without blister packaging, drop shipped from the mountainous region of Pakistan (or maybe the caves where BLD is hiding?), after the money is laundered via the communist Chinese controlled island of Hong Kong.... while maintaining a 98% prescription approval rubber stamp. *d0h!* :eek:

[DaveM]

ROTFLMAO - Stop it your killing me!

[Dan]

Hello Dear chopsticks,

let's see,

We are not located in the U.S - that's a big scandal - you've caught us. The fact is, If you had talked to me before posting - I would have gladly told you that, and explained exactly what are we shipping, where are we located etc.
As for our "half-arsed" shipping methods. Tell me please, what's better for a customer - getting the medication in sleek blister package for twice the price?

Our shipments that are being shipped from outside the U.S are not shipped in blisters, and this is exactly why they are NOT "flagged by customs and/or the DEA / FDA".

Large shipments of 180 capsules are sent as two packages of 90 capsules each, which is the allowed quantity for import for pesonal use. I understand that you're afraid that it's in violation. Please describe a violation of what, and what measures are you taking in order for your online business (whatever that might be) not be in violation of that.

I'm afraid to say that the company is called "Kashmir Pharmacepticals Inc", Kashmir as far as I know, is still in India - where most of the medications are produced. Now, That company name appears in our disclaimer because of anachronistic reasons - and it will be removed. I gladly invite you to make an order on our site and see how and from where it is shipped, before judging. Otherwise, you don't have any grounds to judge us – do you?

Western Union payments. I still don't understand what's the problem with that. You want to tell me that there's anything wrong in Hong Kong?

I think I've explained everything but the Domain issue. You caught us here alright – it's a real blow beneath the belt. What can I say? Everyone knows that if a company's domain expires in the near future that company simply can't be trusted. Even if that domain is old ( 2003 ), even if it is a well known company with tens of thousands of customers and thousands of affiliates. I simply don't know what to do now – we're busted :eek:

I invite you to take a closer look before judging. Register to our affiliate program, really test us, and see for yourself what thousands have seen before you.

Regards,
Dan Johnson

[seodoc]

Don't worry, chopsticks is just the resident asshole here. He has problems with anybody who does better than him (which sadly is most of us). No need to explain yourself to him.

[clivew]

Don't worry, chopsticks is just the resident asshole here. He has problems with anybody who does better than him (which sadly is most of us). No need to explain yourself to him.

LOL

A) feedback is good - regardless of it being justified, plain aggressive or just fun, there is no such thing as bad publicity
B) key idea is to take action to improve
C) Dan is taking action where practical
D) only wanted to get a few mates to undertake a test run before broadcasting

Got A to C missed D - no one is perfect - but - Please keep the feedback coming.

Also, we have always earned more from direct sales than from T2 income. The main benefits of working together and building downlines are :

A) form strong groups that
B) look after each other and make sure your mates get paid, get product delivered, get listened to
C) identify a strong well performing pharmacy and help it get to the top and create good branding online

The final laugh :

A) customers are happy getting what they paid for
B) wire just arrived on time
C) the conversion rate on CT is high
D) the affiliate manager responds immediately to emails
E) glad I could help out a few mates

LOL all the way to the bank

[traveller]

My only complaint is
prices for 60 and 180 phen are to high,
Plus I think you would be better off shipping ONLY 90 day supplies, I have read somewhere that really Phen should be renewed every 30 days. 180 is pushing it.

Allow us the affiliates to determine how much we wish to make, Ie let us set our prices.

Other than that...

Thanks for the fast reply Dan. I love an AM that actually reads and responds :D

[ezeednn]

I love an AM that actually reads and responds :D

Untill he/she gets targetted number of affiliates joined or expected sales.

[clivew]

Untill he/she gets targetted number of affiliates joined or expected sales.

The group - Pharmanet Limassol - have been around since 1997 - not new and already have a large number of affiliates.

The issue is more about broader range. So the risk of service drop off is not a big issue, I believe. What we need is service feedback on the new range

[Dan]

Our system currently doesn't support the set your own prices feature.
We are going to add 90 capsules in the near future.

Ezeednn - you're welcome to try us out for yourself.

[chopsticks]

Dan;

Thanks for the reply. I do appreciate open and honest discussion. Better to hash out the "worst case scenario(s)" here in the forum with an educated (with the obvious exception of SEOduck) crowd.

Some of your answers seem totally fair (and legitimate)... while others generate more questions than answers.

I) I stand corrected on the location of Kashmir. (Good old brain fart; my bad. I remembered the Kashmir region & the "line of control" relative to Kashmir & didn't execute "due dilligence" to make sure my assumption was correct).

However, the fact that the pharmacy is in India makes me wonder further about the "Western Union drop" to Hong Kong.

II. India is a well established & fairly well trusted trading partner in the world. Doesn't India have Western Unions?

DUE DILLIGENCE CHECK: Yes, India has Western Unions.
http://www.westernunion.com/info/homePage.asp?DISPLAY=home&country=IN
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http://www.westernunion.com/info/faqSecurity.asp
Western Union does not recommend sending money to anyone you don't know. Only transfer money to someone you know personally or whose identity you can verify!

* If you are purchasing goods or services and paying through the Western Union network, you do so at your own risk. Western Union does not recommend use of its money transfer service when doing business with a stranger and is not responsible for the non-receipt or quality of any goods or services. ----
Which doesn't mean that I'm implying or accusing you or yours of some heinous act. However, it does clearly show that American consumers (who read the Western Union information available online) will be more than a bit hesitant to proceed entirely at their own risk.
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III.
Our shipments that are being shipped from outside the U.S are not shipped in blisters, and this is exactly why they are NOT "flagged by customs and/or the DEA / FDA".

Umm, OK. If that's your belief. Glad to know that the Drug Enforcers are so easy to bypass!
Although the original quote relative to why you-n-yours MIGHT not ship in blisters doesn't mention security concerns.
Please note: at times products might be shipped loose and not in blister packs due to high demand or lack of stock and in order to allow for the best possible prices.

IV.
Large shipments of 180 capsules are sent as two packages of 90 capsules each, which is the allowed quantity for import for pesonal use. I understand that you're afraid that it's in violation. Please describe a violation of what, and what measures are you taking in order for your online business (whatever that might be) not be in violation of that.

Well I'm kind of grinning at the thought that you've been in this industry for a while (with thousands of satistifed customers) yet you need me to delineate the specifics as to the wide variety of laws that may be broken (in different juristictions within diffent countries, or even, different locations in the same country [i.e. Florida vs. New Mexico vs. New York]).

Clearly, since you mentioned the 90 day allowance of importation for personal use
...you're familiar with the Federal Law (Food and Drug [FDA] Act) for the United States.

What am I doing to protect my own arse relative to online pharmaceutical sales?
Glad you asked.

A) Utilize only American based physicians and pharmacists so that they can have their "card pulled' (i.e. their professional credentials) if they are in violation.

B) Ship from within the USA so that the mutli-national drug companies (such as Pfizer) are able to get the current "market price" for their pharmaceuticals. Even Canadian based pharamacies are not allowed (by Pfizer) to ship CANADIAN market VIAGRA(tm) to the USA at CANADIAN prices. (Canadian pharmacies have been threatened that selling to American consumers will result in the pharmacy in question being cut-off entirely by PFIZER. Not just VIAGRA(tm) sales... but ALL PFIZER products.)

Which leads me to believe (again, I could be wrong, it's been known to happen)
...that you either aren't selling TRUE PFIZER VIAGRA(tm) or that, at the very least, selling INDIAN MARKET pharmaceuticals of Pfizer's to the USA is NOT in compliance with Pfizer's terms & conditions.

C) Shipping from within the USA bypasses the 90 day limit (since that is only relative to IMPORTED meds)... yet it's highly unlikely that the current "powers that be" within the USA would allow for 37.5mg shipments in quantities of 180.

D) Because I've focused on USA based meds, with US based medical staff I'm protected in terms of litigation. i.e. the medical professionals are the ones who are licensed by the government (state) and are therefore required to follow professional guidelines (best practices / standard operating procedures). Even if the meds (e.g. Viagra(ts)) are manufactured outside of the USA and imported by the USA based pharmacy, assuming that the pharmacy is legitimate, the drugs have passed inspection by the goverment & are approved by Pfizer.

E) In the case of an accidental death (which does happen with Phentermine, Viagra(tm) and almost every other prescription drug)... the customers' surviving family members, their estate, a class-action lawsuit (civil damages), nor the District Attorney (criminal charges) will be able to claim that the medications were 'substandard' or otherwise unfit for the American consumer.

F) In the case of financial payment problems (customers claiming they paid but can't prove it) due to Western Union, by not utilizing that methodolgy (using only credit cards) the American consumer is protected under the Federal credit card laws that limit their liability. ($50 limited liability)

G) In the case that the package does not arrive within 7 to 10 business days FROM THE TIME THE CUSTOMER's CARD WAS CHARGED (which is the REQUIREMENT of the U.S. FEDERAL MAIL ORDER LAW that is still on the books) the customer should have online tracking capability (and allow affiliates like myself) to view the status of the delivery of said online order status [current location of the package,if the package delivery had been attempted, or if the package delivery had been completed [and signature of the receiving party]).

H) In the past, before I would do business with international firms (specifically PHARMAWEB CANADA, which was, at the time, the #1 online pharmacy provider in Canada, not sure if they're still #1) -- I required the management to sign legal documents that stated:

1) that if THEY (the affiliate provider) cancelled the affiliate agreement they gave up the option keeping my customer base. (i.e. no refills or other marketing to MY customers under penalty of law; they'd be in breech of contract if they even sent an email or made a telephone call to any of my customers!) If I cancelled our affiliate agreement (not the affiiate provider) then they could continue to market to my customers (since I walked away from our arrangement).

2) that if the CUSTOMER OR the government of the United States (or any smaller juristiction) brought charges against ME (criminal OR civil [monetary]) that the affiliate provider (PharmaWEB Canada) would be REQUIRED to aid in my litigation.

*** #2 should NOT be viewed lightly! Normal affiliate contracts say things like, "all legal issues will be resolved in the location of the affiliate provider" (in their case Manitoba or Quebec, I forget which).

*** If THEIR pharmacists or physicians FUCKED UP and thus resulted in serious injury or death (pain & suffering, etc.) I REQUIRED that they TESTIFY AS TO WHAT HAPPENED. (Give their side of the story.)

Since they're not Americans they couldn't be forced to testify unless they had previously agreed to do so.

My belief is that the Online Pharmacy providing the service shouldn't be able to reap all of the rewards but shoulder none of the risk. (So I'm not going to put MY nut sack on the chopping block unless the international pharmaceutical provider is willing to play by the same rules! The American system of litigation allows for anyone to get a lawyer & make their case. But without MANDATING the the international health professionals MUST step forward and answer any legitimate questions... how can I believe that they're doing their VERY BEST!?!)

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[/babble mode: OFF]

Take it for what its worth. I'm fairly sure someone somewhere appreciate the viewpoint(s) I bring.
I'm not a "YES man" and I don't automatically believe everything that's presented to me.
(Convince me. Open, educated and dedicated discussion is a good thing.)

I tend to cover my own ass... I'm the only one who cares if MY butt is in a sling or not!

'cause remember that it doesn't matter if a pharmacy affiliate makes 50 million US dollars a year
...if they're ultimated convicted of criminal activity ("Beyond a shadow of a doubt" and get locked up in a Federal prison!) or have their bank accounts frozen, their assets seized and their reputation ruined in front of their family & friends (due to a "wrongful death" suit or other civil litigation with the lower legal requirement of "beyond a preponderance of the evidence")

[Dan]

Chopsticks,

I'm glad to see that you're taking the time to post thoughfull posts.

About Western Union - I'm sure India has Western Union, as many other countries do aswell. I really don't know why management has chosen to accept it in Hong-Kong. I only know that once a customer transfers us money via Western Union - He gets his medications shipped. So no need to worry about verifying personality etc..

I'm sorry if the blisters sending comment has misled you, We had no such intention. I'll check with mangement if it's possible to alter it to better reflect the current situation.

I understand your concerns about working with international firms. But please let me remind you that people buy medications online because they are a LOT cheaper than in Local Drug-stores. I don't see how you can sell with a profit if you prefer to buy the medications you sell at Pfizer US market prices.

Bottom line, I understand and respect your opinion. If that's the way you prefer it - let it be.

Dan

[chopsticks]

Good 'nuff. Thanks for the professional response.
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walks over and kicks SEOcr0c in his resident asshole
(*heh*... couldn't help myself)