Busted in Florida again...

[medfan]

anybody know who these guys are?
http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=flo rida+pharmacy+online&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl =0&x=wrt

[DEWIE42]

http://cbs4.com/newslocal/topstoriesmia_story_196153233.html This is what I found...perhaps this is what you were referring to? I couldnt get your url to work.smileys/smiley1.gif

[reindex]

"An alert from the Department of Justice on the
Internet warns that buying prescription drugs from "cyber doctors"
without a real prescription or doctor's visit violates federal law and
puts consumers at legal risk."



So.... they're basically saying that the DOJ says that it's completely illegal

to buy any kind of prescription drug, controlled or non-controlled, from

an online pharmacy that uses the online consultation process?



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[Vulture]

this is the yahoo search link (http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=florida+pharmacy+online&amp;ei=UTF-8&amp;fr=FP-tab-web-t&amp;fl%20=0&amp;x=wrt)

[-epf-]

..who authorities said filled more than $10 million worth of orders since late 2003, including hydrocodone, a painkiller also known as "synthetic heroin" that can kill if misused.



Not what we do...




Rodriguez and others allegedly used "shell pharmacies" to buy from pharmaceutical wholesalers...



Not what we do...




Rojas said he expects further arrests. He pointed out photographs of bagged drugs ready to be shipped, and spilled powder at sites where the pills were bottled.



You wont find any of this at my house...




"I guarantee you, anyone who's buying (large quantities) is out there pushing them in the schools," Rojas said.



And just for good measure, this is an idiotic comment with no merit.


This is not to totally discount what happened. But alot of these "raids" are on idiots buyng and selling large quantities of Hydrocodone and other hardcore pain meds, not exactly what we do...

[RxRob]

Not what we do...





Not even remotely close to what I do... http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley10.gif

[RxRob]

I wonder if they arrested "icollect", also? smileys/smiley5.gif

[icollect]

Nope still here Rob. Don't do controlled. I do think this is a good time for even those who don't do controlled to start thinking about the implications of a state prosecution. It's funny how the little things slip right past us. It takes a hell of a lot less to get a state law passed, than it does a federal law passed.


We could be the alternative and the solution to the problem. All 50 Govs are faced with Medicaid cuts. The seniors with the new DRUG BENEFIT are going to have to make the choice between eating and medication, because each dollar received as a drug benefit, counts as income, and reduces their food stamps, by a corresponding amount.


Back in the day, when the bucks were big and the law was gray, there was a cost, risk benefit. I would hate to loose everything I own, because I was unwilling to modify my business model. AT this point we could find allies in DC and at the state level. Forget models, it's time to play politics and work within the system. Most of the people who use our services are in their 20's and uninsured. If you count the Canadian Pharmacies, which are also under attack, we've got senior citizens. Both are problems for government. Medical delivery systems via the internet could save them billions. In order to win support procedures, safe guards, verification and Doctor/Patient interaction have to occur. The demographicsand number of our patients will increase as we Will be a legal low cost alternative to conventional medicine.

[icollect]

Here's an example of how bad the problem is, and why we are the solution for non emergency care, and medication management.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050716/ap_on_go_co/congress_vet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050716/ap_on_go_co/congress_veterans;_ylt=Aveowl4w8GidyYFmiORzsucGw_I E;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM) erans;_ylt=Aveowl4w8GidyYFmiORzsucGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDM TA3OXIzMDM zBHNlYwM3MDM-


WASHINGTON - Fellow Republicans warned House Speaker Now that the Bush administration has acknowledged a shortfall of at least $1.2 billion, embarrassed Republicans are scrambling to fill the gap. Meanwhile, Democrats portray the problem as another example of the GOP and the White House taking a shortsighted approach to the cost of wars in


Iraq (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Iraq) and Afghanistan (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Afghanistan) and criticize their commitment to the troops.


New Jersey Rep. Chris Smith, as chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee, had told the House GOP leadership that the Veterans Affairs Department needed at least $2.5 billion more in its budget. The Senate passed a bill with that increase; the House's bill was $750 million short.


Smith and 30 other Republicans wrote to their leaders in March 2004 to make the point that lawmakers who were not the usual outspoken advocates for veterans were troubled by the move. Failure to come up with the additional $2.5 billion, they contended, could mean higher co-payments and "rationing of health care services, leading to long waiting times or other equally unacceptable reductions in services to veterans."


Still, the House ignored them.


Smith was rebuked by several Republicans for sounding the spending alarm, and House leaders yanked his chairmanship in January. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-Conn., lost his chairmanship of the VA health subcommittee, and Rep. Rick Renzi (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_go_co/congress_veterans/15805314/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&amp;p=%22Rep.%20Rick%20Renzi%22&amp;c=&amp;n=20&amp;yn= c&amp;c=news&amp;cs=nw), bio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_go_co/congress_veterans/15805314/SIG=11ar5cij3/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=134683), voting record (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_go_co/congress_veterans/15805314/SIG=11jh6vhif/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=134683)), R-Ariz., is no longer on the committee. They too had signed the letters to Hastert, R-Ill., and DeLay, R-Texas.


In an interview with The Associated Press, Smith refused to blame House leaders or discuss his firing.


"I'm not doing any of this 'I told you so' nonsense," he said. "Now that we're here, let's just get it right."


Ben Porritt, a spokesman for DeLay, said that a year ago "we didn't see any indication that there was going to be a shortfall." He said House leaders will "make sure that every veteran will receive the coverage they need."


Hastert's office did not respond to a request for comment.


The White House first told Congress that it could handle this year's shortage by shifting money from other programs. A chagrined Jim Nicholson, the VA secretary and former national Republican chairman, then acknowledged last month that his department still wa

[icollect]

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&amp;story_ (http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&amp;story_id=071605a1_medicarecol umn) id=071605a1_medicarecolumn





Federal plan that becomes available next year will boost coverage - but count against food stamps.

ANNE T. DENOGEAN (adenogea@tucsoncitizen.com)
Tucson Citizen


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Sc@&amp;*w you!


OK, so that's not a direct quote, but it's what it clearly says if you read between the lines of a recent document from the Centers for Medicare &amp; Medicaid Services.


As has been widely reported, starting next year, prescription drug coverage becomes available to everyone with Medicare, and those with the most-limited resources may qualify for extra help to pay for their medications - hallelujah!


About 19 million Americans are being sent applications this summer for the limited-income assistance, and some will soon learn whether they qualify.


But guess what? According to a center fact sheet and contrary to common decency, the benefit will count against the food stamp benefits of those who qualify for both.


That's right. A benefit enacted on the humanitarian principle that seniors shouldn't have to choose between buying their medication and eating will force them to do just that.


CMS administrator Mark McClellan says not to worry. The benefit is simply so rich, the poor will have stacks of money left over for food and other luxuries ... such as toilet paper and socks, he told the New York Times.


If there's no bread, let them eat cake. OK, that's not exactly what he said, but it was pretty close.


("Medicare beneficiaries will get comprehensive help with their drug costs and will have significantly more resources for all their other basic necessities, including food," is what he actually said.)


A new Medicare guide gives an example of how this might work for a hypothetical Mrs. Smith, who gets $798 a month in Social Security benefits and pays $421 for rent and $147 for medical expenses, including $51 for three prescriptions.


Under the prescription plan, her three drugs would be purchased for a co-pay of $3 each, reducing her medical spending by $42.


Her food stamps would be cut to $10 from $27 as a result, but she ends up $25 ahead because of the reduced medical expenses.


Let's take the math one step further: As the government gives with one hand and takes with the other, this hypothetical woman is left with about $35 in food stamps and cash for food each month. Hmm. I hypothesize she'll be stealing the cat's dinner by the end of the month.


By the way, if she receives federal housing assistance, that benefit could also be reduced. The federal government estimates the loss would be, for both food stamps and

[MWS_Brian]

icollect,





You speak a lot of what is leagal and what is ot. Please post your legal experianc / certifications.


If you are not a lawyer, what law firm did you use to base your ipinions ?

[icollect]

Now finally the concept. All of this is copyrighted material.


We have the infrastructure in place currently to manage patients who require medication management, and end stage medication and care. This is a huge market. Did anybody notice the number of times billions was mentioned in the last two articles. Our doctors and techs could sit in their underwear, in their living rooms, administering this group of patients. They would have a huge patient base and be eligible for Medicare/Medicaid/VA reimbursement. I'm sure most private insurance companies would fall all over themselves to save a few billion every year.


Again carrying forward the low overhead mentioned above, non emergency care could be provided as a front line. Nobody wants to go to the emergency room or even a doctors office. This would be a huge revenue opportunity for doctors and pharmacies.


For seniors, acting as a broker to locate the lowest cost medication, of the highest quality, would prevent them from loosing benefits, by reducing the DRUG BENEFIT amount. Drugs imported from Canada are 50% to 80% less, India 70-90%. I'm talking WHO Labs, not garage operators.


Our current base. Go over to DB and see how many programs are left that offer N/R service. Almost all require records and consultations. Almost all dwarf drugstore.com in sales and retention. The bottom line is soon chronic pain and those seeking diet medications will have no other alternative than some sort of doctor/patient interaction. There is no argument left that as long as there is an alternative. The alternatives will soon go away. Those that are prepared will pick up the patients left in the vacuum, and as long as appropriate medical care is administered, there will be no enforcement problems.


This is the bottom line. They are not going to let us exist in our current state, but they lack alternatives, because of their lack of finances. In order to capitalize on these realities, we must be a partner with government.


The first thing to overcome is the perception that we are internet pharmacies. We must become online health providers. Perception is everything, and we must begin to change ours. Nobody wanted to throwEdison in jail for the light bulb, because it was perceived as a benefit.We are at the beginning, not the end. Those of us that have innovated thus far, must finish what we started or big business will finish it for us. This is opportunity knocking. Your lucky if itknocks once in a life time.

[icollect]

icollect,





You speak a lot of what is leagal and what is ot. Please post your legal experianc / certifications.


If you are not a lawyer, what law firm did you use to base your ipinions ?








I just posted 2 articles to support my case for our existence and can support every statement I've made from authorities sources.


Other than never being wrong about the direction of enforcement and administrative action, all of which can be verified on this forum, I am not a lawyer, but I am also not a dumb ass. Months before the bust started in Florida, I warned affiliates and Ops, they were breaking the law. Now there are some that have lost everything, and soon will also loose their freedom. It doesn't take being a lawyer to pick up the paper and read a new law has been passed, Or to get shut down as I believe you did, to put 2 and 2 together.


I worked in Health care for 20+ years designing and coding Medicare and Medicaid processing systems. Including artificial intelligence systems to detect fraud and abuse. Prior to that I worked at NASA designing applications in support of the space program, Southern Company on Nuclear Power control systems. I have a good understanding of medical law as a result of information gathered to design medical systems(CSC,GTE). I also understand the way Government interacts with computer systems. A little compliance goes a long ways.


I never remember debating you a year ago on the direction of internet medicine, but I do know, that I've been saying the same thing since June 2003. I don't change my tune to make a few extra bucks. I've always believed in planning 5 years down the road, and correcting as needed. From most of the Ops I've interacted with, it's been to hell with internet medicine and affiliates, I'll say whatever it takes to get a few extra weeks of production, before I shut Down. Internet medicine is much bigger than that. I don't need to be a lawyer to know that.smileys/smiley16.gif

[Vulture]

so icollect, are you actively a pharm affiliate of any sort right now?

[icollect]

so icollect, are you actively a pharm affiliate of any sort right now?


Yep, MPLLC.

[seodoc]

Nope still here Rob. Don't do controlled. I do think this is a good time for even those who don't do controlled to start thinking about the implications of a state prosecution. It's funny how the little things slip right past us. It takes a hell of a lot less to get a state law passed, than it does a federal law passed.











How about the federal laws you broke as the #1 affiliate of Buymeds?


You posted your stats where you were making over $200k a month selling illegal painkillers just like the guys that just got busted in Florida.


Wouldnt you think that YOU would be a prime target right now as far as affiliates go considering Buymeds did get busted and all?

[RxRob]

I'd be more worried about all of his porn sites with thenew 2257 regulations. smileys/smiley3.gif


Unless he's a free speech coalition member...

[icollect]

Nope still here Rob. Don't do controlled. I do think this is a good time for even those who don't do controlled to start thinking about the implications of a state prosecution. It's funny how the little things slip right past us. It takes a hell of a lot less to get a state law passed, than it does a federal law passed.











How about the federal laws you broke as the #1 affiliate of Buymeds?


You posted your stats where you were making over $200k a month selling illegal painkillers just like the guys that just got busted in Florida.


Wouldn't you think that YOU would be a prime target right now as far as affiliates go considering Buymeds did get busted and all?





Not the least bit worried. I not only documented Buymed's guarantee that they were legal and used a port-a-med model, but once I found out they didn't, I contacted my attorney, who in turn contacted, law enforcement, who in turn informed me that I had not committed any criminal act. I have always kept my marketing legal, way before the collapse of the RXMedicals, Buymeds, HMU's and other went bust.


Now for your cheap shot. You have violated criminal HIPPA so many times, if they ever decide to bust your ass it will be forever. Trading in patients medical data without their explicit permission for the purpose of Spam and other illegal purposes is an absolute violation, regardless of what your selling. It carries a 10 year sentence and up to a $250,000 fine for each instance.


I have saved every post I've ever made on this forum. I promoted what I believed and my legal council believed was a legal model. They made the false misrepresentations. They charged patients $125 for a port-a-med visit. When I found out that this was not true, I alerted everyone on this forum. It cost me $70,000. How much you spent on principle lately.


I hate when things get to this level, but for some odd reason, you guys want to make reform into something personal. Disagree with me on my ideas. Present opposing views.

[icollect]

I'd be more worried about all of his porn sites with thenew 2257 regulations. smileys/smiley3.gif


Unless he's a free speech coalition member...





Rob, Had no idea you were a one handed surfer, or were you just trying to dig up dirt? I have no active porn sites, but I do support the right of anyone to publish any damn thing they want, short of child porn. BTW, in the late 1800's and early 1900's, many works by famous artist were nudes or involved sexual acts. They are considered classics. If your offended, avert your eyes.


This new law is scary as hell. It is wide open to abuse. Webmasters, must post their addresses. Webmaster must keep records on the models, this scares me more than the constitutional problems, because if some wacko, gets the hots for a model, all he has to do is order the set. Next day, he's at her door. You can be inspected without notice. It's not a far stretch for a new law that would require us to post our home address on our websites. I wonder what our life expectancy would be.


Last, I have never said I was an angel. I've spent my time on this forum presenting ideas that will let us continue to market internet medicine. I end up spending a lot of time, playing games with children, who talk about sexual preferences, or just call me and other affiliates obscenities. If you can't debate the idea, then why bother?

[seodoc]

reason, you guys want to make reform into something personal. Disagree with me on my ideas. Present opposing views.





Not a personal attack, I think you are a good guy since speaking to you on the phone a couple years ago. Most affiliates care about making the most money possible, why should we care about anything else? I have never been involved in the online pharmacy business like you seem to think every affiliate is involved in. I send traffic to websites and get a commission when somebody places an order. I do the same for online casino sites, hotel/travel sites and other high demand industries. I am responsible for my actions up to the point where the customer clicks to order and I get credit for the sale, whatever happens after is not my concern, nor will I ever be held liable for it. I'm more interested in finding out what programs pay the most, have the most attractive products to offer and how to sign up to send them traffic. The actual industry is not my concern and trying to change what you perceive to be an 'old model' is a waste of time in my opinion as the current model suits mybank account quite well.

[RxRob]

Not trying to dig up any dirt. People just keep posting links to your websites. I clicked some of the links toother websites being served from the same server, with the same registration information, and I saw lots of pictures which could land "you" in a pile-o-shit.


I'm not being condescending about the porn. I (had) lots of affiliate porn sites myself. The new regulations scared the shit out of me and I took them all down.

[seodoc]

Trading in patients medical data without their explicit permission





HIPPA applies to hospitals and pharmacies and doctors offices, not affiliates of online pharmacies. There is nothing wrong with buying an opt-in email list for marketing purposes.


I have no 'patients', I am not a doctor, nor am I a pharmacist, nor do I run an online pharmacy. I buy sales leads, I buy databases of casino gamblers or travellers or people that join porn sites or need mortgages or whatever.


You seem to sensationalize everything, you should consider a career move, maybe journalism or politics?

[icollect]

Not trying to dig up any dirt. People just keep posting links to your websites. I clicked some of the links toother websites being served from the same server, with the same registration information, and I saw lots of pictures which could land "you" in a pile-o-shit.


I'm not being condescending about the porn. I (had) lots of affiliate porn sites myself. The new regulations scared the shit out of me and I took them all down.








Sorry Robb, Tanks for the heads up!smileys/smiley16.gif

[icollect]

Trading in patients medical data without their explicit permission





HIPPA applies to hospitals and pharmacies and doctors offices, not affiliates of online pharmacies. There is nothing wrong with buying an opt-in email list for marketing purposes.


I have no 'patients', I am not a doctor, nor am I a pharmacist, nor do I run an online pharmacy. I buy sales leads, I buy databases of casino gamblers or travellers or people that join porn sites or need mortgages or whatever.


You seem to sensationalize everything, you should consider a career move, maybe journalism or politics?











I'm sorry my friend, nothing sensational. Lot's of folks got popped, I'm just looking to facilitate change. I was misled, the same as a lot of other folks about Buymeds model. What did Buymeds have to do with discussions about a new model. Why is it when alternate ideas about our business are presented, folks are drawn and quartered.


My ideas aren't competing with your business model. you could do business for years, and not even notice the change. It doesn't have to get personal.


I am not being dramatic, just passionate. I believe in what I'm doing. I try hard to convince people that I have a viable idea. Every time I do, there's always a personal attack, completely off topic. I've talked with you before on the phone and know you are very intelligent, I guess that's what confuses me the most about your responses to my post.

[seareeus1]

I (had) lots of affiliate porn sites myself. The new regulations scared the shit out of me and I took them all down.





I had considered a little while ago setting upan "adult site" business, though after these rules were learned I stopped the business plan in its tracks. smileys/smiley3.gif


Besides, what would I tell my family and friends when they found out. This would not sit well with most I know. I guess for me, I can sleep better without the worry. smileys/smiley16.gif


Not passing judgement on anyone involved, unless you are involved in kiddie porn, then you are a sick F#@&amp;!!! smileys/smiley7.gif