Top 3 Search Engines

[Yolanda]

I'm trying to generate traffic to my site (aren't we all are?). I tried mass emails and while they generate some traffic it is not at all what I expected. I have also learned the cons of doing this.
Basically, I'm forced to use search engines although I'm a little reluctant to do it. Can anybody recommend, based on their own experience, the top 3 advertising search engines? I have heard that google seems to be the frontrunner but the source is not very reliable. Also, maybe you can give me an idea or estimate of how much would I have to invest to generate let's say 100 orders (CM) per day. Also can you advertise CM on these search engines?

thanks

[RxRob]

Yeah, I'd like to know where I can advertise to generate 100 orders per day also.


Thanks.

[Yolanda]

What do you mean? No search engine is able to generate 100/day regardless of the investment? What's the average expected from search engines?

[ChesterCoperpot]

Google, Yahoo, and MSN. Its no easy task to generate 100 sales a day though. You will need multiple sites and some pretty damn good rankings to pull it off. SEO is your friend.

[phalaris]

You don't need multiple sites. You need only one site sitting at #2 for Viagra (single keyword) on google. smileys/smiley8.gif

[Yolanda]

can give me an idea of how much would I have to invest to generate let's say 100 ordersper day.
Also can you advertise Controlled Meds on these search engines?


thanks

[RxRob]

You don't need multiple sites. You need only one site sitting at #2 for Viagra (single keyword) on google. smileys/smiley8.gif





Is that your website, phalaris?


Sweet site. smileys/smiley1.gif

[phalaris]

No, its not my site but I was almost there, at #3once upon a time...

[ChesterCoperpot]

From my experiences the #2 site on google for viagra doesnt even do 100 sales a day.. Close tho :)

[phalaris]

From my experiences the #2 site on google for viagra doesnt even do 100 sales a day.. Close tho :)


It depends on the pricing on your site and also which OP you are promoting. Back then I was promoting one of the most honest player in this business but they are now gone. Also a lot depends on the site too. Comparison site will never do 100 orders but a simple site promoting only single product with order links going straight to the order page can easily do 100+ orders on Monday-thursday.


One more point to consider is that I have seen overture suggestion tool numbers for Viagra increasing from some 220000 to 300000 in last 15 months. So demand for OPs selling Viagra has increased and most lowballers are now gone from adwords and the remaining ones (mostly non-US or generic viagra players in PPC) will too fade away. So now it is much easier to do that many orders in a day. Give me some time and I will once again come out with updated numbers. smileys/smiley14.gif


Someone asked me in a PM how to get #3 position on google for Viagra. At that time I estimated that it took me around 300 hours of workto get there. That is the exact reason no professional SEO firm will ever target "Viagra" or "online casino" for clients. Of course Andrew can do it in much less time... smileys/smiley17.gif

[andrew13]

100 orders per day with 1 site from my experience - it is nearly impossible :)



And you don't need to invest $$$ to get it. You need to invest brains.

[killroy]

Bah, that talk makes me feel like a chimney sweeper in comparison to you guys ;)


SN

[PillRoller]

We're all chimney sweeps compared to Andrew. smileys/smiley19.gif


Hell, I'm lucky if I can get in the top 10 of kanoodle.com smileys/smiley8.gif

[learning]

100 orders per day with 1 site from my experience - it is nearly impossible :)

And you don't need to invest $$$ to get it. You need to invest brains.



Do you think that 10-20 orders a day are possible with only one site?.


I 've did SEO work for about 30 pages

[kevin11]

10-20 orders per day from one site is not a problem if you have a top 10 for a good single keyword or for a competitive 2 word phrase also.

[oldboy2000]

What about a well written content that is keyword rich with all the wrong keywords. Try a page 2,038,097,342,445,717 on Google results.


For four years I have listened to a lot of experts and marketing gurus talk about SEO. I do believe SEO will go a long way with a good content site. But I think you have to spend at least a little time linking to boost your PR. Now, good SEO with some high PR quality site links and you will be in business!...I guess...I am still following advice and getting nowhere. Some months I think I will quit and go full time on this. Other months, I would be tickled to get 10-20 orders for the whole month.


Just my 2 cents...smileys/smiley2.gif

[killroy]

Well, I'm only doing SEO, and never spent a penny on ads (I can't write worth rat-poo), but at least I can pay my rent and send cash to my friends to help em out, and can financy my dad's dream to become an "artist", so it's better then the last 5 years where I didn't know what to pay food from.

Now I just gotta get of my lazzy butt and do some real work and get rich... it doesn't look so hard with this stuff... I mean 100-200 orders a day is so much money it's almost greedy ;)


SN

[BowFromMI]

can give me an idea of how much would I have to invest to generate let's say 100 ordersper day.
Also can you advertise Controlled Meds on these search engines?


thanks





First off, assuming your talking strictly pay-per-click, none of the good search engines (Google, Overture) will except these pharmacies anymore, and certainly not the controlled meds.


With the garbage PPC's left over, it is very hard to generate that quantity of quality traffic. You'll spend bunches of money on junk traffic at most PPC's these days.


Now that said, it may be possible to generate a 100 sales a day, but you will most certainly be losing a ton of money every day. The reason is:


let's say it takes you 25 clicks to generate one phentermine sale, and you average $40 profit per sale. If you bid $0.20 per click, you're not going to get very many clicks, but each sale is only going to cost you $5, giving you a $35 profit. If you raise your bid to $0.40 per click, you'll get a few more clicks, and a few more sales, but each sale will cost you $10, leaving you a $30 profit per order. etc, etc To get to the top of any of the searches for the major meds, your gonna have to bid at least $3 per click. This might get you near the traffic you'll need, but each sale is gonna cost you $75, meaning you're losing $35 on every sale. If you make your 100 sales, you're gonna lose $3500 per day. So the short answer to your question is, to generate 100 sales that will gross you $4000, you'll have to spend probably $7500.


You're dealing with that old "diminishing marginal returns" we learned about in accounting. In my experience, it runs something like this"


spend/day sales/day profit


$10 $100&n bsp; $90


$50 $200 $150


$100 $300 $200


$200 $500 $300


$500 $1000 $500


sooner or later, your profit per day starts going down, like


$1000 $1500 $500


$1500$1900 $400


etc


Even these kinds of numbers probably aren't doable today without Google and Overture. But the point is, if you try to drive those types of sales with todays PPC's, you'll end up losing money. You can't just bid high enough to get that quantity of quality traffic and be profittable, or every single person on this board would be doing it.