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USAdrug

February 6th, 2004, 07:48 AM

I have a question about what I believe to be a pay-per-click scam. I need some feedback from some vetrans here. I have a bunch of popular keywords in the OP business positioned myself #2 in all. This would give me maximum traffic from the search engine.

I also have live person running on all pages so I could watch the traffic and see in real time the potential customers.

I put a small amount of $150 into the account and wanted to see what my ROI would be. I assumed that I might get 500-1000 uniques for that money which was about .15 cent a click average.

I activated all keyswords at 7pm EST and watched the action through the live person admin panel. 99% of all the traffic went to the home page only and stayed there for 1-5 minutes and then left, costing me .15 cents. I thought this was very odd. 2 1/2 hours later all the $150 was spent and the PPC search engine is asking for more money because they "successfully delivered 850 keywork clicks".

I generate 1 sale and it wasNOT from the PPC search engine or it's affiliated partner search sites.

I called last night to this "famous" PPC search engine company and they have someone calling me today.

I have a spreadsheet created of all the sites, which look like affiliate partners search engine sites, that sent me traffic. FAKE TRAFFIC.

Are there people who become affilates of search engines, build a search site, and just type in keywords or have a bot cycle through keywords to make money? Litteral I had 850 people come to my site in 2 1/2 hours and not one single sale because of that traffic. My site is extremely well designed and very competitive price wise.

Any feedback?

phalaris

February 6th, 2004, 08:52 AM

I bet you ran into kanoodle.com or findwhat.com. Let me know if I am wrong.

Both of them arewell known for sending nothing but fraudtraffic generated by bots running on their "partner" sites.

USAdrug

February 6th, 2004, 09:11 AM

No it was www.ah-ha.com (http://www.ah-ha.com)

What is my next step?

Google and Overture only?

redex

February 6th, 2004, 09:33 AM

No it was www.ah-ha.com (http://www.ah-ha.com)

What is my next step?

Google and Overture only?

Yes add ha-ha-.com to the list with Kanoodle and FindWhat. If you research the referrer links or thePPC site you will see an "Affiliate program" link. In plain english theis translates to "Get paid to surf the web" the scam being your account will empty and the "search partners" aka "affiliates" click the sh*t out of your listing and get 40-60% of the revenue.

Google isit but then you have your competitors clicking up your account to get you out of their way. Just ask RxRob (or me). Overture claims the FCC is looking at the pharmacy sites to determine legitimate ones. If you get ads in Overture, let me know.

USAdrug

February 6th, 2004, 11:26 AM

Here is a list of the Ah-ha.com's (now Enhance Interactive) partner sites that sent me fake traffic, all for their selfish gain.

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dpillz

February 6th, 2004, 01:37 PM

No it was www.ah-ha.com (http://www.ah-ha.com)

What is my next step?

Google and Overture only?

HaHHa- ahha :) yep /// I also wasted some $$ there ...
!nothing you can do!
they sent the traffic, end of story ...

the nicest, is that I have a very detailed reporting system, that shows with the tracker who came, from where, what was the search term, and which affiliate store they clicked...

tipical ahha traffic:
search for "Phentermine" -> exit to a store that only sells viagra ...

and hundreds of these under each other ! ahha, sucks balls bigtime...

the only ppc that is decent and generated actual sales is
www.pageseeker.com (besides googleads) kanoodle, findwhat, 7search and all the others are CRAP i tried them all... they are a joke

Steve

February 6th, 2004, 02:09 PM

ah-ah, thats why they use the name, and all the rest too, don't use them.

The main problem is all the scumware out there, file sharing stuff...the exit pop-ups that know what the potential is looking for.

We should all make comments on oursites educating joe surfer not to downloadsoftware offering free music blah blah....(nothing is free) and tell them they is spying on their surfing habits in the background...A lot of people will not like that.

Ok google toolbar is spyware..but no exit pop-ups

Redex

I get loads of referrals from overture and never paid them a penny, maybe ink secondary results?

krl

February 6th, 2004, 04:41 PM

DaveM

February 6th, 2004, 06:28 PM

Bottom line is there are only two PPC programs worth a sh*t and one of them won't accept pharmacy ads!

USAdrug

February 6th, 2004, 07:22 PM

Thanks for the great feedback. Any more examples in the PPC traffic game?

pillz

February 6th, 2004, 08:15 PM

I noitced in my log files that I was getting a lot of referrers from anysurf.com So I had a look at their site and it looks like they gave me $20 of free clicks from where I don't know. Anyway their bots are so bad that they don't even pull up any image files, just the index file and that's it. If you want to run a bot, you at least need to pull all the files off the page to look legit. These guys don't.

USAdrug

February 6th, 2004, 09:57 PM

...it's examples like this that will help me when I speak to the fraud division of Enhance Interactive (formerly ah-ha.com)

If anyone has first had experience of being defrauded from a PPC search engine, please post your specific details here.

daweller

February 7th, 2004, 04:26 AM

Bottom line is there are only two PPC programs worth a sh*t and one of them won't accept pharmacy ads!

Truer words were never spoken.

And the one that does accept Pharm ads is bloody expensive if you wanna get clicks smileys/smiley19.gif

markoh1

February 7th, 2004, 04:41 AM

Findwhat really sucks hard!

I deposited some money with them... ONCE. They burned through $500 in 2 days.

A quick check of my log files indicated that hits came from sites like...
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<LI>http://www.1-877-gr8-call.com
http://www.sperrinnetworks.com
http://www.year2067.com
http://www.gsi-express.com
http://www.tatomultimedia.com
http://www.restaurantsolutions2k.com
http://www.directmailforless.net
http://www.mintsys.com
http://www.purchasing-recruitment.com
http://www.hatfield-lock.com
http://www.teamaxiom.com
http://www.bsgkt.com
http://www.medcom1.com
http://www.davinciwebdesign.com
http://www.tradexbarterexchange.com
http://www.ssi-usa.com
http://www.starsexpics.com
http://www.brandnewsites.com
http://www.erotics.com
http://www.pillsonline.com
http://www.sexmedicine.com
http://www.naughtygay.com</LI>[/list]

After FindWhat burned through my $500, a "client advocate" (that's a salesperson, I found out) asked me why I hadn't replenished my account. I e-mailed her my log file and then she supposedly turned it over to a "traffic specialist". You know what they said? They said that they were all legitimate clicks. Can you believe that?

Findwhat sucks but I have never seen hits from sites you mentioned above.

I get my visitors for pharmacy related keywords from sites like:
<UL>
<LI>www.coolwebsearch.com (http://www.coolwebsearch.com)</LI>
<LI>www.savehits.com (http://www.savehits.com)</LI>
<LI>www.as.ro (http://www.as.ro)</LI>
<LI>www.yoogee.com (http://www.yoogee.com)</LI>
<LI>www.runsearch.com (http://www.runsearch.com)</LI>
<LI>www.rxpills-direct.net (http://www.rxpills-direct.net)</LI>
<LI>www.health.tiv.net (http://www.health.tiv.net)</LI>
<LI>www.iquicksearch.com (http://www.iquicksearch.com)</LI>
<LI>www.my-discount-pharmacy.com (http://www.my-discount-pharmacy.com)</LI>[/list]

Of course all hits are only index page visit. When I complain to live chat servicethe only answer you get is...everything is ok on our side, check your site, we don't use get paid to surf programs who told you that and so on..!!!

But guess what 30 minutes after our live chat sessionpeople started clicking all over through my site, they stopped garbige traffic from Brazil and Poland andI got 4 or 5 sales. All that in maybe 30 minutes. smileys/smiley8.gif

This was last December, Ididn't use findwhat in January. As for February all I can saytraffic sucks the same story all over again.

take care,

mark

JayB

February 7th, 2004, 04:42 AM

Not only does ah-ha send you fake traffic, but they also have the balls to have a high pressure sales rep call every now and then and ask you to put more $$$ in the account. I've tried them for about 4 different e-comm. industries over the past 3 years and the traffic just outright sux.

USAdrug

February 7th, 2004, 07:55 AM

...wow this is very eye opening!

Keep this post going with more examples of how you learned a lesson with PPC search engines.

dpillz

February 7th, 2004, 09:48 AM

Bottom line is there are only two PPC programs worth a sh*t and one of them won't accept pharmacy ads!
yes google ads, and pageseeker ...
pageseeker takes up, and settles down from time to time ... but their traffic generates actual "outgoing" hits to sites relevant to the search term ...

I really like them, their support is fast, and they seem to be decent people unlike other scamsters

Don Corleone

February 7th, 2004, 03:11 PM

LookSmart.com is also a SCAM.smileys/smiley7.gif I will never use them again.

I wrote my own logging system. All I received (in a matter of minutes) were clicks from sites that are so totally unknown that Alexa doesn't even know about them.

Here are some example logs from Looksmart "Partner" Sites:

http://cysonic.com/search_cysonicResults.php?Seid=61&inf o=basic&cib=1c2c45e79d7be919 (http://cysonic.com/search_cysonicResults.php?Seid=61&inf o=basic&cib=1c2c45e79d7be919 )

http://www.yoomy.com/Search1.php?ID=135&Q=Weight+Loss&am (http://www.yoomy.com/Search1.php?ID=135&Q=Weight+Loss&B3=Yoomy) p;am p;am p;B3=Yoomy

http://www.bhanumati.com/cgi-bin/smartsearch.cgi?username=sa rja&keywords=Phentermine (http://www.bhanumati.com/cgi-bin/smartsearch.cgi?username=sarja&keywords=Phentermin e)

http://www.seek99.com/search.htm?keywords=viagra&aid=177 55&affstate=1

http://www.xboss.us/index.php?mode=rd&rowID=379874

RX69

February 10th, 2004, 02:14 PM

I was burned by hA hA as well. Epilot burned me even worse. I have has some decent relults with Find What, but they are to unreliable on certain keywords. One of thier Reps even admitted to me, to not list in the first 3 spots to avoid useless traffic! Fuc*in Unreal!!smileys/smiley11.gif

USAdrug

February 10th, 2004, 05:23 PM

Tonight www.ah-ha.com (http://www.ah-ha.com) (now Enhance Interactive) gave me $100 for my PPC for free as a test to help them weed out the affiliate pricks who just click links in their own search engines and get paid.

They removed MANY of the peoples sites that I posted above and have notice the traffic is massively reduced. Before there were 20-30 people live on the site while I was testing with the first $150, now there is 2-3 at any one time from ah-ha.com partners. That lasted 3 hours and no sales. The $100 ah-ha is giving me will not last too long either... there is the same issue happening. People (owners of the scam search engine sites) clicking their own links and getting paid. No one is going past the home page. I have a super slick custom OP site and VERY competitive pricing. NO ONE IS SEEING THAT... because it's all crap traffic.

I am going to fire up Adwords tonight and see what that does once the free ah-ha crap traffic and money is spent.

More news tomorrow...

tml89

February 10th, 2004, 08:44 PM

Lately I have noticed a drop in sales form adwords. Is it just me or are othe people seeing the same thing?

BTW. I tried kanoodle definitly sh*t. Looksmart gave a few sales but not worth it now that they dropped MSN

legalbegal

February 10th, 2004, 08:54 PM

It always baffled me how kanoodle, ah-ha, findwhat, etc. could be 1/20 of the cost per click of google and overture, yet they spend your money 5 times faster. How could 80% of search users use google/overture, but the bottom tier engines bring way more traffic? I think google is getting worse b/c they are allowing partners too. Actually I have found in the last 6-12 months everyone's traffic has gotten real bad

tml89

February 10th, 2004, 09:04 PM

I think google is getting worse b/c they are allowing partners too.

is there any way to have your ads show just on googles site?

redex

February 11th, 2004, 03:44 AM

Only show ads on Google search sites, not google's network and only show ads in US using exact match on keywords. Depending on what med you are targeting, the shoppers, frantic searchers are click happy on the meds that are not readily available any more, like phent, etc.

Also:

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With Google AdWords, it's all about results. We've collected these tips to guide you through creating and maintaining an effective ad campaign with our program.
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<LI>In the Campaign Summary table, select the checkbox(es) next to the campaign(s) you wish to edit.
<LI>Click Edit Settings in the header row of the table.
<LI>Select the checkbox next to 'Automatically optimize ad serving for my ads' (section 4).
<LI>Click Save Changes at the top or bottom of the page. </LI>[/list]</LI>[/list]</TD></TR></T></TABLE>

USAdrug

February 11th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Here are my results and letter to Enhance Interactive (formerly Ah-ha.com) Any comments?
<DIV>Thank you for puttinga $100 into my account to test the network again. The traffic was slower this time around and $100 lasted 5 and 1/2hours. Unfortunately, the traffic that was sent was also scam traffic. I physically sat in front of the computer with Live Person running and watched where all the traffic was coming from and ALL traffic from Enhance only went to the home page. I turned Adwords on from Google and they were able to send traffic also, but the traffic they were sending me (real customers interested in my pharmacy products) actually surfed around the site and I made one sale because of Google traffic.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>It's very apparent now that you have many affiliate partners who own and operate search engine sites, and manually or with the use of bots, drive traffic through their network from search results you provide. They are then keeping a percentage of the PPC revenue. </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I have attached both Excel sheets that shows the main sites (host name and IP's) that 100% sent me fake traffic. All traffic was to the home page only and no further. There were many people looking for Viagra or Phentermine and did not attempt to locate my price, which shows they were not interested. It is definitely the owners of these sites earning a living by clicking links on their own sites and keeping a percentage of the PPC revenue.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I am out $150 and you $100, where do we go from here?</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>

RX69

February 11th, 2004, 02:18 PM

I hope you get somewhere with it USAdrug, but in the past I have got no where with these people. The best is just to put them out of business by telling everyone what a scam they are. Let us know what happens and good luck!smileys/smiley16.gif

tml89

February 11th, 2004, 04:29 PM

Besides adwords and overture, are there any other PPCs worth using?

DaveM

February 11th, 2004, 06:54 PM

You can add Overture to the scam list. At least for online pharmacies.

USAdrug

February 12th, 2004, 12:36 PM

Why do you want to add Overture to the PPC scam list? Other than "...tellin people the way you think it is", why don't you tell us your experience with Overture.

redex

February 12th, 2004, 03:47 PM

Why do you want to add Overture to the PPC scam list? Other than "...tellin people the way you think it is", why don't you tell us your experience with Overture.

I ythink every OP affiliate will answer this one the same so I will refrain. LOL

DaveM

February 12th, 2004, 04:48 PM

Why do you want to add Overture to the PPC scam list? Other than "...tellin people the way you think it is", why don't you tell us your experience with Overture.

Well let's see, they now want you to send them a non-refundable deposit of $200 upfront so that they can "certify" you OP site (maybe). Next, they want you to pay them an additional $50 per month to remain "certified". That's in addition to the normally outrageous PPC bid prices on the same keywords every other OP will be bidding on.

This is all so that they can claim to be respectable to the likes of Drugstore.com and their sidekicks VIPPS and all the brick and morter pharmacies who believe it is their God given right to be the only onesallowed to sell medications online!

tml89

February 12th, 2004, 07:58 PM

Anybody tried using pageseeker?

IWorkForFree

February 12th, 2004, 09:34 PM

they are all crap

USAdrug

February 13th, 2004, 02:32 PM

...I have a test running with www.mamma.com (http://www.mamma.com)

Comments? Money wasted again? Wait for SEO to kick in?

Thinker

February 13th, 2004, 04:31 PM

Be careful about sending in your $200 unless your pharmacies also belong to the program. I spoke to the program manager at Squaretrade. Not only do you have to be "certified" but any pharmacy that you link too has to be in the program before your ads will run.

I just complained to Overture also. Turning off ads without any warning. The entire policy is hypocritical in the first place, singling out the PPC advertisers. I never dropped a lot of money in there at one time, but I may never be able to spend my last $70. I told them that I would be seeking a refund in that case. Really now, they should have instituted a grace period.

DaveM

February 13th, 2004, 07:11 PM

mamma.com was a waste of money for me. Hope you get better results.

linkmaster

February 14th, 2004, 12:10 PM

Here is an eye opener!

Go to the following site and register with some ID(from a new email account, or else you will get spam later on):

http://xhq6.com/news/members.php

Sign up as a new member. Read the instructions sent to you(within 24 hours), for maximizing your income by clicking on results shown for profitable keywords like "phentermine" etc.

If you want to go more deep, ask the webmaster and she will help you click more and earn more! She is available on Yahoo messenger using the ID: myearning@yahoo.com

Ask her questions and ban all those sites! There is a limit to everything. Sites like http://www.getpaidforum.com/ etc should be issued in public.

All these "get paid to click sites" are 3rd tier partners of ah-ha, kanoodle, findwhat.....

What these people do is get 1000's of members using MLM schemes and then each one clicks, clicks and clicks our PPC listings. 2/3 clicks, then restart the computer so that the dynamic IP(using telephone modem) changes and you are logged in with a new IP, so that you can click again!!

If each one of us send emails to ah-ha, findwhat and get these partners banned, it would really help a lot! But without a hugh response, it won't be possible. What do you say about it?

redex

February 14th, 2004, 12:31 PM

Not worth it for the ten genuine clicks you will end up with a day. MSN, Google, Yahoo - Stop . . . end of story.

brasil7

February 23rd, 2004, 06:09 AM

hey people what about teoma.com ask.com http://www.lukol.com/ http://myway.mywebsearch.com/jsp/GGmain.jsp?st=bar http://www.mysearch.com/jsp/home.jsp

What about them???

redex

February 23rd, 2004, 09:28 AM

hey people what about teoma.com ask.com http://www.lukol.com/ http://myway.mywebsearch.com/jsp/GGmain.jsp?st=bar http://www.mysearch.com/jsp/home.jsp

What about them???

Ask yourself these questions.

Do you use these search engines to search for info on the web?

Have you heard of them prior to looking for PPC campaigns to utilize.

Will they provide you with a list of searchpartners. (NEVER HAPPEN)

If you answered YES to all three, then give them a try.

brasil7

February 24th, 2004, 02:50 AM

redex

So please tell me were you can advertise today!

overture is ded !!(to pharmacy)

fibdwhat??expensive and not all ways worst.

7search .com and 7metasearch.com!!

Give some advices!!!

brasil7

redex

February 24th, 2004, 03:05 AM

http://www.google.com/images/web_logo_left.gif (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en)

http://www.google.com/ads/

seodoc

February 24th, 2004, 08:07 AM

DaveM

February 24th, 2004, 08:35 AM

krl

February 24th, 2004, 09:20 AM

Most of those PPC SE that give you $10 upfront use that SmartSearch CGI script (available from http://www.smarterscripts.com). You'll often find these PPC SE listed for sale on ebay. There are probably hundreds of PPC SE that use this script.

I've submitted to some of them. One in particular comes to mind. I had no activity for over a year. Then, in about a one week span, ALL of my free money was used up. Then comes the email asking me to replenish my account. I think the site owner was using up the clicks in the hopes that I would replenish my account with REAL money.

Don't waste your time submitting to them. Spend the time optimizing your pages for the real search engines.

DaveM

February 24th, 2004, 09:59 AM

Don't waste your time submitting to them. Spend the time optimizing your pages for the real search engines.

Agreed!!!

brasil7

February 29th, 2004, 03:01 AM

If you want to try some PPC campaigns on small PPC SE, there are about twenty or so that will give you $10 to $20 upfront just for opening an account.

No, I am not going to provide you a list, do a little work as they are easy enough to find.

It will give you additional exposure (maybe) at no cost to you. If it works, you can always replenish your account.

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So the only one is google,since i just a article that pfizer touch down all the ad words in google is that thru?

Thinker

February 29th, 2004, 05:29 AM

Adword is more expensive, but at least they send good traffic. On the bright side, the small ones will make calculating ROI easy. Zero sales divided by any investment is always 0%!

Basil

March 16th, 2004, 09:38 AM

"Findwhat really sucks hard!

I deposited some money with them... ONCE. They burned through $500 in 2 days.

A quick check of my log files indicated that hits came from sites like..."

THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! You just saved me $50.00. I was lucky enough to beable to cancel my account before they reviewed my key words!!!!

I think Google is the way.....even though it is so expensive.